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Topic: What tires?
Posted By: nadelewitz
Subject: What tires?
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2013 at 2:07am
  I gotta get new tires for the 2006 Mini. Looking at new Dunlop Direzza ZII and the BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2.  Size 205/50-16.  ZII is "Extreme" performance of course, COMP-2 is "Ultra". Sounds like I'm shopping for condoms.
 
The COMP-2 is supposed to be a summer-only tire, but on a forum I perused a user said it has the M/S (mud/snow) marking on it.
 
Anyone have any knowledge of the BFG tire?
 
Norm Adelewitz  Cool


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Norm Adelewitz

Ithaca

77 HS Red 2006 Mini Cooper

Co-driver: Sock Monkey



Replies:
Posted By: ack154
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2013 at 10:11am
I doubt the Comp-2 is M/S rated if it is summer only (which TireRack says it is). Someone may be thinking of a different BFG tire.

I think it depends on your budget. Unfortunately, you're somewhat limited in choices based on the size you need. The Dunlop Z2 might be the best for the money, but it's also not the cheapest.

The COMP2 looks to be about $30/tire cheaper than the Z2 - but they're in different categories. In theory the Z2 should be a better tire, but is it worth the extra $120+ for you?

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Posted By: nadelewitz
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2013 at 12:06pm
Thanks for the reply, Alan.  All I have to do is make up my mind (no easy feat).
Did you say that you are getting ZIIs to replace Star Specs?  Did you wear out your Star Specs already? The ones on my first Mini had a year on them including road use, and looked to have a long way to go.


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Norm Adelewitz

Ithaca

77 HS Red 2006 Mini Cooper

Co-driver: Sock Monkey


Posted By: colbeykd
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2013 at 9:32pm
I only had the Star Specs on the G20, but they lasted about 10 autocrosses, 3 tracks days (at least) and probably 10k miles or so.  For an Extreme tire, they held up to all the abuse I could throw at them.
The BFG tires do like pretty good though.  The treadwear rating is higher, so they'll probably last a bit longer.  They are definitely a summer only tire, so I also doubt the M/S rating.  BFG is a big SCCA sponsor, and I have their tires on my truck.  I'd definitely consider using their tires again.  The RSX needs new tires too, I might have to look at these again in a couple of months.


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Kyle C
88 Honda CRX Si ITA Road Race car
04 Acura RSX Type S


Posted By: ack154
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2013 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by nadelewitz nadelewitz wrote:

Thanks for the reply, Alan.  All I have to do is make up my mind (no easy feat).
Did you say that you are getting ZIIs to replace Star Specs?  Did you wear out your Star Specs already? The ones on my first Mini had a year on them including road use, and looked to have a long way to go.


My Star Specs probably have some life left in them - but 2 of them have plugs from flats I had last year so I'm not really comfortable trying to run those anymore than I have in any competitive way. I'll probably sell the other two on Craigslist or something to get rid of them.

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Posted By: jayjaya29
Date Posted: 05-Mar-2013 at 12:31pm
BFG is releasing a tire called the "Rival" that, well, rivals the Dunlop Z2's

Roughly the same price point, longer life, and arguably better grip, but they won't be as good in the rain. They have MASSIVE shoulders, which should really help the FWD and AWD cars that are prone to rolling their sidewalls. 

I will most likely pick up a pair of Z2's mid season for my half abused rear Z1's. 


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Posted By: ack154
Date Posted: 05-Mar-2013 at 10:01pm
In my size (245/40/17) the Rivals are actually about $10 cheaper per tire... but estimated availability on TireRack isn't until mid May. I was reading a little bit on them though - sound like a pretty good budget option regardless of the wet.

Then again, I think nearly half of our season last year was in the wet.... :)

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2016 Toyota 4Runner
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Posted By: colbeykd
Date Posted: 07-Mar-2013 at 4:42pm
Sounds like the "Rivals" are in the market that the Azenis 615 were before the K.  Everyone was scared to drive them in the rain, but they were fast and cheap.

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Kyle C
88 Honda CRX Si ITA Road Race car
04 Acura RSX Type S


Posted By: KENLUDE97
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2013 at 2:54pm
The tire wear # is not an industry wide rating.  It is only comparable BFG to BFG or Dunlop to Dunlop ect ect.

I've ran a LOT of BFG tires for all seasons on my cars for years and i have had great luck with them.  I also liked them when i sold and installed tires for 3yrs at Sams.  We had a low issue/return rate on them.  MUCH lower than Goodyear tires that we sold. 

I think about them if they were offed in a size for the Miata.


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Posted By: nadelewitz
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2013 at 2:33am
Well, I went for the BFG g-Force Sport Comp 2s over the Dunlop Direzza ZII for my Mini. Talked to Tire Rack sales rep. He emphasized that running the ZII  on the road all the time during Solo season would not be recommended. Wear is one thing, but the ZII is NOT AT ALL advised for wet conditions. DRY surfaces only.  He suggested I get (more) extra wheels and buy ZIIs and Comp 2s, and switch back & forth during race season. THAT was not going to happen.
 
Got the BFGs today, and they look MONSTER. Sales Rep says the Comp 2s are a good autocross tire, they use them all the time in testing. Just not the extreme rubber of the ZIIs.
 
Norm


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Norm Adelewitz

Ithaca

77 HS Red 2006 Mini Cooper

Co-driver: Sock Monkey


Posted By: colbeykd
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2013 at 4:37pm
I'm smelling a wheel and tire salesman here.  I don't know about the new ones, but the Direzzas are fine for a daily driver.  Anyway, I want to get a look at these BFGs, I need some new tires for the summer wheels.

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Kyle C
88 Honda CRX Si ITA Road Race car
04 Acura RSX Type S


Posted By: nadelewitz
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2013 at 12:39am
The sales guy sold me on the lower-priced tire based on my info. I was teetering on a fine edge between the two choices and just needed a push. I had Star Specs on my previous Mini (blue one) for a whole Solo season and everyday driving. I was always wary in the rain, and I continued to wonder how long they would last.
You going to be at the 3/19 Solo meeting?  I can bring one of the BFGs.
 
Norm


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Norm Adelewitz

Ithaca

77 HS Red 2006 Mini Cooper

Co-driver: Sock Monkey


Posted By: jayjaya29
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2013 at 2:15am
I've run the Z1's in heavy heavy rain and had no issues, I would expect the same of the Z2's. 

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Posted By: ack154
Date Posted: 25-Mar-2013 at 10:34am
Just to add to the rain thing... according to TireRack's initial tests, the Z2 does considerably better in the rain than the Z1.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=168" rel="nofollow - http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=168

Getting my Z2's mounted on Friday!

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Posted By: nadelewitz
Date Posted: 25-Mar-2013 at 1:05pm
My BFG g-Force Sport COMP-2s are being mounted today!

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Norm Adelewitz

Ithaca

77 HS Red 2006 Mini Cooper

Co-driver: Sock Monkey


Posted By: colbeykd
Date Posted: 25-Mar-2013 at 6:54pm
Allan are on still on stock wheels?  Way too early for me to think about mounting summer rubber, it is NY after all.

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Kyle C
88 Honda CRX Si ITA Road Race car
04 Acura RSX Type S


Posted By: ack154
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2013 at 10:35am
Ya, I have 2 sets of stock wheels. One for summer, one for snows. So worst case I can swap back to the snows in about 15 minutes.

This time last year I was definitely on summer tires. I had them put on before the roundtable weekend (and subsequently found out that one of my valvestems leaked). Then again, this time last year we were packing for Las Vegas... :)

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2016 Toyota 4Runner
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Posted By: KENLUDE97
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2013 at 2:23pm
Yea its too early to install "summer" tires.  Summer tires are dangerous under 40° but really should not be used under 50°.

Last year it was 80° in March. 

I also ordered a set of tires :)  I got a set of Falken 615K  They were the cheapest option for the miata.  Discount Tire Direct had a $50 discount on that tire. 


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